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goats milk vs pasteurised cow's milk

Postby egglover » Sun Sep 02, 2012 2:31 pm

Hi, I know that this has been touched on in the past but does anyone know whether goats milk/cheese is significantly lower in choline that cow's milk/cheese?
I read somewhere that feta cheese for example is better than cheddar cheese. But then I read something else that said pasteurisation removes some of the choline so I might be better off with pasteurised cows milk than the health food goats milk/youghurt that I've been drinking.
I'm new to this diet so it's all so confusing and I seem to find conflicting reports whenever I try to google something.
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Re: goats milk vs pasteurised cow's milk

Postby Ellie Girl » Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:43 pm

Hi there

I could be wron gbut I think the issue is more to do with whether the animal is wheat-fed or not.

Be careful with feta -and with all cheeses - it's not just the dairy, it's if it actually is vegetarian - alot of feta is made with animal rennet = stinky.

Re cheese in general I seem fine with small amounts of normal veg cheddar. Cottage cheese is supposed to be ok but makes me reek. Feta in small amounts if properly veg seems ok.

Good luck!
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Re: goats milk vs pasteurised cow's milk

Postby egglover » Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:34 pm

Thanks for the advice. I didn't even know there was such a thing as vegetarian cheddar. Do you get that at your local supermarket or do you have to go to a health store? It's so frustrating as I can't smell myself and my husband can't smell me so it's not like I can try different cheeses and say to a total stranger "does this make me smell less offensive"?

How do you know if the cow/goat has been wheat fed?

I am SO hungry :( I'm trying to get my doctor to refer me to a dietician even though he says no-one can help me. My son didn't eat all his lamb kebabs at dinner and I couldn't resist eating them. Just been to the shop now and the assistant had to take a step back whilst I was talking to her.

Does it get easier to live with the restricted diet?
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Re: goats milk vs pasteurised cow's milk

Postby Ellie Girl » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:18 am

Hey there

Hang in there!

You can get veg cheddar at most supermarkets - just look for the V sign on the packet. Most feta doesn't have it but I think Sainsbury do a veg feta. You have to look really hard though.

I've know idea how to know if they are wheat-fed or not. The issue is that wheat-fed cows produce milk very high in TMA. I've had the same problem in the past with not being able to tell if I smell or not- but I can smell it sometimes. My current partner can smell it so he's a good gauge - which is how I know the cottage cheese is out!

The restricted diet does get easier in that you adjust your mind to it. I think like I'm a diabetic and there will be consequences I hate if I stray off it. Having said that I eat a much wider range than I used to, but I never touch meat or fish of any kind. Or mustards, brassicas, pulses, legumes, eggs,soya,coffee,nuts, peas, beans. But you can fill up on healthy nutritious chunky veg soup, lush fruit salads, and small amounts of rice, oats, soya-free bread (but go easy on the grains).

Do you know if you are TMAU1 or 2? Because if you are type 2 (I am) riboflavin may help. I have 100mgs with every meal and it's made a difference. I also have about 750gm medicated charcoal (you can get it in boots but avoid the holland and barrett charcoal - it has nut derivatives in it) about 30 mins after each meal. And chlorophyll in the morning and evening, plus probiotics (50bn strength) every morning.

What your Dr says is wrong diddly wrong wrong! I have an endocrinologist and a dietician who both specialise in metabolic disorders and I was refererred to these through my GP. Get your GP to refer you to Sheffield or Dr Lachman in London for tests, if you have not been tested already.

And stay strong - this forum is fantastic and such a source of help and support!

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Re: goats milk vs pasteurised cow's milk

Postby egglover » Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:49 pm

Thanks so much for the tips.
Found cheese in Sainsbury with the V sign on so will give that a go. Nightmare trying to find soya free bread. I read that we're supposed to avoid the wholemeal bread and buy the white stuff but virtually all white loaves have got soya flour in! Someone told me that if you go to the bakery section of the supermarket their bread has no soya flour in but when I asked they said it did.
I'm taking similar supplements to yourself - Probiotics/B2 and also Nullo in the morning/evening and charcoal after every meal but I have been using Holland and Barrett's and when I checked the label it does indeed have nut/nut products in. Argh! This is so difficult.
How long to do you wait after taking charcoal before you take your pro-biotics? I've been leaving it 1 hour but don't know if it should be longer?
Hoping to get referred to someone very soon. Doubt if my doctor will fund me to go to Sheffield or London but live quite near Manchester so surely they have somewhere there with some knowledge of TMAU.
Thanks again for the advice - so glad I joined this forum. :D
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Re: goats milk vs pasteurised cow's milk

Postby egglover » Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:15 pm

ps...forgot to say that my Doctor told me he "thinks" I have TMAU 1 but isn't sure but when I pushed him to find out he replied no -because it wouldn't make any difference to the treatment. His "treatment" was to give me a massive bottle of anti-biotics to take for a week and to save the rest if/when I decided to take some more. :roll:
Really need to get a specialist. Guess I can't be too cross at the Doc because it is quite a rare condition
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Re: goats milk vs pasteurised cow's milk

Postby Ellie Girl » Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:59 am

Good luck wth the doc! He won't be able to tell you if you are TMAU 1 or 2 - only the tests can show that - I think it's the DNA test they take from your bloods - mine was inconclusive on that score as there are so many mutations, but an educated guess shows I/m 2 as I only developed this a few years ago.

Re the propbiotics - I prefer to take them last thing at night quite a while after the charcoal, or very first thing in the morning. Avoid taking them with hot drinks as this kills them.

Keep going - you will get there!

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Re: goats milk vs pasteurised cow's milk

Postby Avery » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:43 am

The limited eating plan does get simpler in that you modify your mind to it, i think like i am a suffering from diabetes and there will be repercussions i dislike if i wander off it....
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